(from: Diary of a Decade Interview by Trevor Dunn © Greater London Radio, June 9, 1990)

Towards the middle '80's, I began to abandon the brush for rolling paint on thickly and using rolling pins, glass bottles, anything that rolled. And we did a show up at the BBC with this technique, and scoring back into the canvas with the end of a brush. I think figuratively, I paint abstractly, but most abstract painters are almost offended if you see subject matter in their pieces. They feel they've failed. Whereas I paint abstractly and then like an Eskimo carver stares at his stone and then brings out that which is entrapped in it, I stare at the abstraction and then carve out that -- those figures that I see, and some of them are quite complex stories.