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mmonic   2012-Jan-10 at 15:56:14
Hi I'm writing my graduation thesis on Joni's Blue (the song), I need some help because I'm trying to compare this song with other artists ones.
I've found a relationship between Blue and a Nocturne of Chopin, but I need one more element to compare. (I need another song in which there's a clear echo of Blue's sound and music).
Please there's somebody who can help me? my mail is mmonic1@yahoo.it
I'd be very grateful (sorry for my english, I'm italian)


ghanick   2012-Jan-16 at 07:47:37
When "Blue" was released in 1971, it sounded like nothing before it. Sure, there have been numerous blues singers prior to Joni, but in this song and album, Mitchell expressed ideas, feelings, and emotions directly and powerfully. It represented a magical burst of creativity brought on through deep introspection. To try and compare it to anything else does a great disservice and misses the point. Put it instead in a historical context. In 1971, artists like Joni, John Lennon, James Taylor, Carole King and others lead a short-lived movement to strip away pretense and ego, to express a raw honesty in relationships, words and music. Rock and roll, as well as the burgeoning youth demographics of the time, would only embrace it in small doses for a year or so. Even Joni, by 1974, had become more "pop" oriented.


mmonic   2012-Jan-17 at 10:16:42
Hi Ghanick,
I agree with all you have said, but the problem is that I'm analizing this song by using a specific analysis method by which it is necessary to find similarities (in melody or musical arrangement)with other songs.
In my opinion it is impossible to compare Joni's artistic flair with any other musician, but I must do this for my graduation thesis. Thanks


ghanick   2012-Jan-18 at 07:58:36
Hi, This might help. It is taken from an interview JM had with "NY Magazine":

"I loved Debussy, Stravinsky, Chopin, Tchaikovsky, anything with romantic melodies, especially the nocturnes. Nietzsche was a hero, especially with Thus Spoke Zarathustra. He gets a bad rap; he's very misunderstood. He's a maker of individuals, and he was a teacher of teachers.....

"In the seventh grade, I had a teacher who declared that the curriculum was useless. So he read Rudyard Kipling's Kim to us every morning until the book was completed. That was very influential for me. My favorite line in all of literature is Rudyard Kipling's monkey: "My people are the wisest people in the jungle, my people have always said so."

What about your songwriting, which is really so densely literate? Who influenced you there? Great poets? Or something else?

"I didn't like poetry. When I read the Shakespearean sonnets, I feel like some of them are mercenary. How many poems can you write where you say, "You're so beautiful that you should reproduce yourself and I'm the guy to do it"? [Laughs.] They can't all be inspired. It's like somebody came to him and said, "Give me a poem like you did for Joe and I'll give you 50 bucks." I find a lot of poetry to be narcissistic. I agree with Nietzsche on the poets. He said something like: "The poet is the vainest of the vain, the peacock of the peacocks . . . he muddles his waters so that they might appear deep." I know I'm throwing the baby out with the bathwater in a lot of ways. I guess there are a few poets I like, though, like E. J. Pratt and Carl Sandburg."


mmonic   2012-Jan-22 at 11:36:41
Hi Ghanick, I know this interview. I've just found similarities with Chopin, but thanks anyway for thinking.


pt8648   2012-Feb-04 at 22:06:02
Hello mmonic, a wonderful subject you chose for your thesis. Since the album Blue was influenced by jazz, particularly the music of Miles Davis, I would recommend listening to his album, Kind of Blue, especially the song "Blue in Green." Kind of Blue is a masterpiece, released in 1959 and had a prodigious impact on the music industry. It is still one of the most influential albums ever recorded.

Spero che tutto va bene e tanti auguri.


Mike_Mandaville   2012-Mar-10 at 02:26:17



mmonic
I would be curious to know
what nocturne you are comparing to
Thank you.




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