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PLytle   2009-Nov-07 at 09:18:16
Do you think that Joni Mitchell composes the entire orchestra's music on her orchestral songs?


JMFriend_Canada   2009-Nov-07 at 09:41:23
Since Joni cannot write music in the conventional sense (ie. notes to staff paper). I would assume that she arrives at the melody and harmony and that someone has to arrange it and score it for the orchestra - ie. Paprika Plains. A lot of musicians don't write music in the conventional sense. As said I think that she comes up with the melody and harmony and decides what instrumentation she would like. It the old days when she recorded woith Henry Lewy she used her own terms - put a little more Elvis on it - someone asked Henry if he knew what she meant and he said of course he did.


PLytle   2009-Nov-07 at 13:06:12
That is really interesting--i've always wondered how all this is done. Do they also improvise? Does an orchestra trumpet player improvise? Also, on so many songs of hers there's a saxophone I guess--it doesn't sound quite like a sax. I wonder what it is. When they record, do they play it over and over? What does it mean when they talk about mixing a recording? I know they can mmix several voices (like her voice several times), but do they mix the instruments, or does everybody play together. I've always wondered becauses there's a line in "Coyote" that says she's up all night in the studio, and I joke to myself that she must need a Halls cough drop after singing all night. :-)


JMFriend_Canada   2009-Nov-07 at 19:13:30
Things aren't always recorded at the same time. They may have recorded something but then decided to add another track with another instrument or background vocals as Joni use to do a fair amount of her own background vocals. You may find this interesting but the song - HOW DO YOU STOP - that Joni did with Seal was a mailer, they were never in the studio together. Joni did her part and the recording was sent to Britain and Seals tracks were added at that time. The magic of recording...


PLytle   2009-Nov-07 at 20:15:57
I didn't know it was Seal. That's amazing they did the song long distance through the mail.

Hey, JM_Friend, do you know who she is singing with in the song MY SECRET PLACE? I love that song so much. Every time I look into golden trees, it comes to mind and I start singing it to myself. It might say on the CD who she's singing with, but I have the MP3s for a lot of her music. I used to have the cassette for that song. I think I wore it out.


JMFriend_Canada   2009-Nov-08 at 04:54:02
She sang MY SECRET PLACE with Peter Gabriel. Larry Klein and her were in Britain years ago and Larry Klein was producing an album for someone else. Peter Gabriel has a studio in Bath, England and the studio was not being used and as a result "Chalkmark..." started out there. The black and white video of her and Gabriel was made in Britain.


ljirvin   2009-Nov-08 at 10:10:25
From Joni's liner notes to the Geffen boxed set:

Albert Magnoli approached me to write a song for a scene in a movie he was making, "American Anthem." In the scene, a young couple in a red Jeep is racing up a mountain road against a backdrop of golden Aspen trees. The director requested the song be upbeat and nestled on a bed of Syndrums and he sang me a hideous Syndrum fill. I told him, "That's not the way I see the music in this scene and I couldn't possibly give you a drum fill like that. Should I do it anyway?" He laughed and said, "Yes, and while you're at it, take a stab at the title song. Write me an American Anthem." So I wrote a ballad, "My Secret Place," for the driving scene and "Number One" for the anthem.

We were in England at the time. Klein had just finished playing on Peter Gabriel's "So" album. The album was completed and his studio was standing empty. Peter offered it to me, as a courtesy, to make my demos. He agreed to sing on "My Secret Place."

I didn't approach the duet in the usual way. I wanted it to be like the Song of Solomon where gender seems to switch arbitrarily. I had learned from singing with Don Henley that seemingly different voices give little to no contrast in certain registers and I used this observation here.

Both songs were rejected. Of "Number One," the director said, "I asked for an anthem. I don't want the truth!"


PLytle   2009-Nov-08 at 10:55:58
This is so much fun to learn this stuff. I love this website!

I think Joni Mitchell should do a spoof on DIDA called DIVA and she could do the alto part and find some pre-menopausal soprano to do the high part and it would be so funny. Instead of a flute, she could have her sax-like instrument that's on so many of her songs. That's my Joni Mitchell fantasy of the day. Now I'm gonna read and make some yarn. Didn't make it to church--stayed up too late. Oh well--I'm known as a shaky believer.




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